Camping Claims He's Right & His Debate with James White

Here's probably my last bit of Camping "end-of-the-world" stuff.  First things first, he kind of issued a statement about his apocoflop.  It was a rather rambling thing that you'll never get through.  But here's part one anyway:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwnCPMxjuD8

You can keep following on to parts 2-6 depending on your stamina.

Also, you may not be aware of the fact that James White actually debated Harold Camping a while back.  You can listen to those debates online now right here:

Part 1; Part 2

I also want to link here to James' "open letter" to Camping, calling him to repent. http://www.aomin.org/aoblog/index.php?itemid=4645

Okay, that's all.

Inner circle member of Family Radio says Camping owes apology to public; preacher 'mystified': wife - International Business Times

Inner circle member of Family Radio says Camping owes apology to public; preacher 'mystified': wife - International Business Times: "Camping's wife said her husband was 'somewhat bewildered' and 'mystified' after his prediction proved a dud, said Tom Evans, who belongs to the inner circle of Camping followers."

Camping Devotees trying to Explain Away their FAIL

Here's the first I've seen of post-"rapture-fail" statements from Camping-devotees. Follow the link below - looks like the stage is being set to say that it was a "spiritual" judgment and that now the world will really end in October.

Doomsday Believers Cope With An Intact World : NPR: "'God is God; God's going to do what he has to do,' he says.

True, he says, believers got some of the details wrong. But the thrust of the message is right.

'Judgment Day has come and passed, but it was a spiritual judgment on the world,' he explains. 'There is no more salvation. Salvation is over with. The fact is we have 153 days, and on the 21st of October, the world will end.'"

Camping, "I forgot to carry the 2!" (by Angel Contreas)

RaptureFail | Harold Camping is SO wrong

Well, the end of the world is upon us. Or not. If you've been following all the Camping craziness, check out Rapture Fail below.

RaptureFail | Harold Camping is SO wrong

Tongues Debate: Who won? James White v. David Bernard

Well, I found this to be an interesting debate.  Very interested to get your feedback.  Probably, as I, you don't find yourself in complete agreement with either.  But feel free to leave your comments below.

James White v. David Bernard

By the way, the fact that Bernard denies the Trinity is kind of an elephant in the room.  Seems to lend credence to the idea that tongues can be faked by non-Christians.

Are we prepared for the cost?

Yesterday I was riding my bicycle - my new favorite hobby - and listening to various podcasts.  One was from a recent episode of the Dividing Line with James White (excellent BTW).  A caller phoned in to ask Dr. White if he could recommend any resources on a presuppositional apologetic approach to people of other faiths.  Without getting into what that means, I want to go directly to the conclusion of the resulting discussion in which the caller said something like, "So, I guess I'm just going to have to do my homework and understand what people of other faiths are saying." To which Dr. White said something like, "Uhh . . . yeah."

I liked that because it highlights something for me that I feel is a very significant problem in the Church today.  Christians sort of generally want to have an answer for the Muslim, Mormon, Hindu, or whoever -- a set of memorable apologetical one-liners to throw into the faces of people from other faiths who may come across our paths.  But we don't really want to get our hands dirty.  We want a quick and compelling (to us) presentation or pamphlet.  We don't want a Hindu friend.  We don't want a relationship with a neighbor.  But we have been called to love.  And . . .

"Love is costly. Out of love, something may be offered to a recipient for nothing, but that is not the same as saying it didn't cost the giver anything.  It may cost everything.  Yet when it comes to the issue of witnessing to people of other faiths, we seem to be looking for methods that cost us nothing."

These words by Michael Ramsden in his article "Bearing Witness to the Love of Christ with People of Other Faiths" are right on.  I recently heard of something in a church not too far away from where I live that made me so happy.  It was something like this -- their pastor had begun a series on Islam and Muslims.  No doubt a study designed to help equip the members of that church to have meaningful and effective encounters with their Muslims coworkers and neighbors.  But, you know, such studies are a dime a dozen in evangelical churches.  And very often, the only thing that happens is that the Christians walk away with a feeling of renewed confidence (and sometime arrogance) in the truthfulness of their religion over against the particular cult or world religion featured in the study.  But something totally different happened in the church I'm talking about.  Something kind of cool.

As I heard the story, some of the members of the church spoke with the pastor at the conclusion of the study. They said basically that while they appreciated the study on Islam and Muslims, the reality was that most of them had coworkers, neighbors and friends who were not Muslims but Hindus.  And they said something like, "Pastor can you equip us to share the love of Christ with the Hindus in our lives?" And the pastor said, "Yes."

That's so good, so pure in my mind.  Because the church members there could have just filed that study away someplace and continued to be unengaged with the global mission field around them.  But they refused. They have begun to choose the hard path of love, relationship, dialog, understanding, incarnation, death.

Let me remind you again of this important call to repentance issued by the Lausanne Theology Working Group:

“We need to repent of approaches to people of other faiths that reject or denounce their existing religion as wholly evil or satanic, with no effort to understand, critique and learn, and to discern through genuine encounter, friendship and patient dialogue where there may be bridges for the gospel” (p. 28, full version)."

So, I want to simply echo the question that Ramsden has asked in his paper.  When it comes to sharing the love of Christ to people of other faiths, are we prepared for the cost?  It will cost us everything.  Sadly, most Christians are not ready to pay that kind of price.  Are you?